Miraculous healing can and does occur, and there is a space for it in the medical field.
Dr. Bradley Nelson (@Dr.Nelson) is one of the world’s foremost experts on natural methods for achieving wellness. He is the author of The Emotion Code and The Body Code System, which teaches people how to heal by pinpointing stuck energy and emotions. He is the CEO of Discover Healing, a holistic education platform providing training and certification worldwide.
“It is time to start taking back our own ability to work on our bodies. There’s so much that we can do. Most of the time, we don’t need drugs, most of the time, we don’t need surgery.”
– Dr. Bradley Nelson
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Hi, I’m Mark Divine. And this is the Mark Divine Show. Super stoked to have you here today. I appreciate your time I do not take it lightly. I know it’s valuable. The fact that you’re here listening, it means the world to me. I love talking to folks from all walks of life on this show, meditation experts, blockchain wizards, psychedelic researchers, and people on the cutting edge of holistic healing, like my guest today was Dr. Bradley Nelson, who’s one of the world’s foremost experts on natural methods for achieving wellness. He’s the creator of The Emotion Code, and now The Body Code System, and CEO of Discover Healing, which is a holistic education platform providing training and to certified practitioners worldwide.
The Emotion Code is a step-by-step system which allows you to work with your body’s energy and to heal yourself. So I’m super stoked to have Dr. Bradley Nelson. Mark Divine Show. Welcome to the show, Dr. Nelson.
Mark Divine 0:54
Dr. Nelson. Dr. Brad. Thanks so much for joining me on the Mark Divine Show. Super nice to meet you, sir.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 0:59
Thanks, Mark. Yeah, it’s great to meet you too. Great to be here.
Mark Divine 1:02
Before I get into like, content stuff. I’d like to really get deep into the what, you know, shaped you. What’s your origin story? Where did you grow up? And what were the challenges that you faced? And how did you get interested in becoming a Doctor of Chiropractic and then, you know, really get into the emotional development?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 1:19
Mark Divine 1:20
Side of things.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 1:20
My journey has been interesting. It started out at age seven, actually, I was really sick with the measles. My folks had made a bed for me on a couch in the living room, so it’d be near their bedroom. And this particular night, everybody else had gone to bed. And I had overheard my parents talking and I knew the plan. The plan was, I was going into the hospital the next day, and I was going into something called an oxygen tent. It was the first time I’d heard that expression. I didn’t know what an oxygen tent was. The tent part sounded kind of interesting. But you know, because I was seven. But I was really sick, way too sick to think about camping. After everybody gone to bed, my folks come into the room. And I remember this, like it happened yesterday, Mark, my mother said to my father, honey, will you kneel down with me and say a prayer for our boy so he’ll be able to get well, so they did. And knowing my dad, he wasn’t a preacher, anything like that, he was in real estate and construction. But I think they were really worried about me, I was really sick, and I’m lying there just feeling really nauseated, and feverish, and just really ill. So my dad starts offering this prayer. It’s probably the first time in my life had heard my dad pray. And in the middle of his short prayer, something amazing happened, something miraculous happened, really. Yhis change began at the top of my head, and it went through my body to the soles of my feet. And I was made completely well.
Mark Divine 2:35
Dr. Bradley Nelson 2:35
Yeah, it’s impossible to describe this, really. But I remember this, like it happened yesterday. And it was quite a while ago now. Anyway, I held my tongue till my dad was done praying, which didn’t take long. And when it was done, I said, I’m better. I’m better. I said, Yeah, that’s fine. Go back to sleep, tomorrow, you’re going into hospital.
Mark Divine 2:54
Dr. Bradley Nelson 2:55
The next day proved it to everybody that I really was totally well. So that taught me two really important things that shaped my life, one of those things was that there is a higher power that we can draw upon for help, right. And the other thing was that healing doesn’t necessarily have to take a long time, because I’ve experienced that happening instantaneously, right.
Mark Divine 3:16
Dr. Bradley Nelson 3:16
So then what happened was, fast forward about another seven years, and ended up with kidney disease. And I had these terrific pains in the back that would just knock me to the ground or take my breath away. And it was very scary. My folks took me to the hospital, and they ran all these tests. And my parents were told your son has kidney disease, and it’s about a 50/50 chance whether he’ll pull through this or not, there’s nothing we can do. At the time, they didn’t, they didn’t do heart transplants, or kidney transplants or anything else. So my kidneys were fighting for their life. And if they died, that was it for me. But they didn’t have anything to offer, really. And so my parents were open to alternatives. And it took me to see some old-time osteopathic doctors that operated out on the edge of town in a trailer house in the middle of a wheat field.
Mark Divine 4:06
Oh my god.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 4:07
Mark Divine 4:07
That’s real fringe.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 4:08
They were very fringe. But I can remember, sometimes we’d pull up and a busload of people would pull away. Sometimes people would in other states would charter buses to come and visit these two because they were really healers. So they started working on me. And right away, my body started responding. And within about three weeks, I didn’t have any more pain or anything at all. And right away, they started to become less severe and less frequent. And my folks took went back to the hospital after I couldn’t, I didn’t have any pain anymore. And they, they were told, Well, you know, it’s a spontaneous remission, whatever we did, must have worked, I guess. But I knew that these people that helped me, so I knew that’s what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. I wanted to be a healer. And so I would talk to them. I can’t remember lying on my back on their table looking at them and saying, when I grow up, I want to do what you guys are doing and they were very discouraging. They’d say, no, you don’t know, no you don’t.
Mark Divine 5:00
Dr. Bradley Nelson 5:00
Because they said, if you go to chiropractic school or some school of natural healing, you’ll come out of there like a zombie, you won’t even be able to think for yourself, your head will be so full of fixed ideas. It’ll be pointless, you know, that really sunk in.
Mark Divine 5:14
Do you remember what they did?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 5:15
They were mainly just realigning my spine.
Mark Divine 5:18
Dr. Bradley Nelson 5:19
Yeah, just manipulating my vertebrae and realigning things, they said that I had a bone down in my lower thoracic that had gotten out of alignment. And that bone being out of alignment was irritating the nerves traveling to the kidneys. And they did some other things, too. But that was the main thing. So I thought they were chiropractors for years, when the osteopathic profession was made an offer, they kind of couldn’t refuse, you know, back I think in the early 60s by the medical profession, essentially will make you medical doctors too, because it was kind of a competition thing. And they were, you know, presenting competition. So now pretty much if you go to a DO, it’s pretty much like seeing an MD, right?
Mark Divine 6:01
Dr. Bradley Nelson 6:02
But yeah, they decided they didn’t want to have anything to do with it. So they just moved into a trailer house in the middle of a wheat field.
Mark Divine 6:08
So you mean they didn’t, they didn’t go back to get formally…
Dr. Bradley Nelson 6:11
Mark Divine 6:11
…certified or licensed as a DO, they just said screw it, we’re gonna do our own thing.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 6:15
They just stayed out of it. So then what happened was, I got involved in computers, I took a computer class in 1980, in Hawaii actually, I was going to school there. And man, I was hook line and sinker. I was a goner, for computers. And I became a computer programmer had a business back in the early 80s, right when people would buy an IBM PC and there’d be no software for it. I go into the their business, I had a business called the Computer Tutor, which I thought was really clever. I’d go in and look at all their flows. And then I’d write some really simple software so they could use this thing. And that’s what I did. And I thought I’d do that, or something like that for the rest of my life.
And then one day, my wife and I went home to Montana as we were going to college. And my dad, totally out of the blue asked me this question. In fact, I was about six months away from going into the MBA program at BYU. And my dad totally out of the blue says, hey, you know, you’ve always wanted to go into chiropractic, and it seems like a great career. And I said, well, now I’m going this other direction, I’m gonna get my MBA and in computers and things and he said, well, what do you think about it one more time. So I did. And having learned at that early age that you could get help. All of a sudden, when he asked me that question, suddenly, I felt like I was back right in the middle of the fence. And I could go into chiropractic or get my MBA, and I didn’t know what to do now. So that night, I prayed about this. And that night, I had this experience, I was awakened three different times. And each time that I was awakened, I would find my mind full of all these warm, fuzzy happy thoughts about healing and helping people, thoughts of service, you know, and I thought, Oh, that’s great. Yeah. But you know, the new IBM PC, it’s got a four megahertz processor, I fall back asleep, right. So that’s how that went.
Mark Divine 7:59
That’s so classic. Such a yin/yang juxtaposition there.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 8:02
It’s such a nerd to…
Mark Divine 8:03
The right path to the left path?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 8:05
Anyway, so the next day, I still didn’t know what to do. So that night, I prayed again. And the second night, I had this really amazing experience where I was awakened three times again. But each time that I was awakened, it was the same thoughts of service and healing and helping people naturally. But each time that on the second night, it happened three times. But each time was exponentially more powerful than the time before. So that on the third time that I was awakened, on the second night, the thoughts of service to mankind and humanity and the whole world. I mean, it was absolutely overwhelming. And right then, as I’m feeling that overwhelming feeling, I have this voice speaks to me. And it says, this is a sacred calling. And I thought, okay, I get it. And so, so I went to chiropractic school. And because I was a computer programmer, before I was, I was always trying to use a computer in the work that I was doing. So I always had a computer there. So as I would find things that worked for people, I would record them in this database that I was building, this knowledge base, really.
I figured, you know, God’s gotten me into this, maybe he’ll help me and so I had this habit, just this silent habit, just a momentary pause, really, I never told anybody that I was actually pausing and asking for help for them. But I think that when you ask for help, two things happen. You’re humbling yourself and admitting that you need, maybe need help.
Mark Divine 9:31
Dr. Bradley Nelson 9:31
But also, you’re opening that conduit because when you ask you receive, right.
Mark Divine 9:34
Dr. Bradley Nelson 9:34
And so there were times Mark during those years when somebody would come in to see me I didn’t know how to help them or didn’t know how to approach their problem. And I would have that momentary pause and ask for help. There were times when in response to that asking, that information would just flood in like an avalanche of data really amazing. That didn’t happen very often. But once in a while. So gradually, I was able to put together this database and one of the The fascinating things that I learned really was that and in fact, the whole basis for The Emotion Code in The Body Code is this understanding that we have a conscious mind, which is where we spend all of our waking hours. When we go to sleep, the conscious mind shuts down. And we have a subconscious mind, right. And it’s the subconscious mind that’s creating millions of new cells every minute and keeping everything going. But that subconscious mind is essentially a binary computer.
Now, what that means is, I mean, if you think about your phone, what’s the interface? Well, it’s the screen and your finger, you know, and the laptop I’m sitting at, it’s got a screen, it’s got a keyboard, that’s the interface. But the subconscious mind has a different interface. It’s a binary interface, which means the subconscious mind will give you answers if you ask questions that can be answered with a yes, or a no.
Mark Divine 10:51
Dr. Bradley Nelson 10:51
And it can manifest those answers in different ways we use muscle testing. And so I was able to start asking questions of my patients. And I found that it worked incredibly well. And during the last 10 years of my practice, most of the people that I saw had been told there was really no hope for them at all. They were never going to get well. And yet the vast majority of them got well, because I was able to ask the truth source, their subconscious, what they really needed.
Mark Divine 11:16
Youre familiar with Dr. David Hawkins work, I imagine.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 11:19
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Power Versus Force, I referenced him in, in The Emotion Code. So I left practice in 2004, and wrote this book, The Emotion Code. The reason for that was because what I found in practice, was that all of my patients, no matter how young or old, they were, no matter what they were suffering from, if they, you know, if they were dealing with depression, or anxiety, or phobias, or panic attacks, or PTSD, or eating disorders, or some kind of self sabotage, or if they were dealing with some physical thing like infertility, or asthma or digestive disorders, or if they were, if they had been diagnosed with some kind of a disease process, or if they were dealing with physical pain, which was a lot of people, they all had something in common, and that was their emotional baggage. And I came to understand, it took me a while to figure this out.
Because what happens to us, if you think about the body itself, our bodies, ultimately, I mean, if you zoom in with a big microscope on some part of your body, like your hand, and you zoom in past the cells and past the organelles, and pass the molecules and down to the level of the atom, where you’d notice there’s another atom, and it’s a long distance away. And if you look inside the atom, you see, hey, there’s nothing in here, it’s just empty space, right energy. So that’s really what we are. Well, when you’re feeling a certain emotion, like anger, or resentment, or fear, or whatever, on a quantum level, what’s going on is that you’re experiencing the vibration that’s unique to that emotion, all emotions have their own frequency, if an emotion is coming up for you, and you stuff that emotion, you don’t want to feel it. Or if an emotion comes up for you, and you become you enhance it, and you become really upset, and you volumize that feeling, those two circumstances can result in what I like to call an emotional loop that’s kind of stuck open. Normally, when we feel an emotion, we allow it to be felt. And then we allow that loop to close, and that experience over. But sometimes that loop gets stuck open. And so the energy that was being felt in the body, that energy can become trapped in the body. So we call these trapped emotions. And it’s amazing the effect that they have on us and how, how they affect us, not only physically, but they’re there in every disease process that I have seen in 35 years, there’s always an emotional component, trapped emotions. And in all those other situations, I talked about all those other problems, PTSD, depression, and so on physical pain, 90% of all the physical pain we have is from trapped emotions.
Mark Divine 13:49
How much do you think those trapped emotions are from childhood trauma versus maybe some adult experience?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 13:55
It depends on how traumatic your childhood was. So yes, I mean, some people have really, really difficult experiences as a kid, you know, being bullied or being abused in all kinds of ways. And when you go through that, you definitely develop emotional baggage that then distorts the rest of your life. And that’s really what trapped emotions do they affect us in a couple of ways. Let me tell you a story. There was a many years ago, there was a guy that came in to see me, he had really severe low back pain. I mean, it’s like a 9 close to a 10 on a 0 to 10 scale. So first thing, I started asking questions of his subconscious mind muscle-testing him for the responses, right? But what I find is that he has a trapped emotion and we use a chart that looks like this. It’s got 60 emotions on it, in The Emotion Code is divided up into two columns and six rows. And right away, I find the emotion is anger. And testing a little further. I find that this occurred 20 years before. And he says, oh, yeah, I know what happened. I know that’s all about. And I said, what happened? And he said he was it was a work situation where he was wrongfully accused, basically of like embezzling or cooking the books. And he was furious about it because he was totally clean. But he was wrongfully accused. So I don’t blame him for being upset. But what happened was that emotional feeling of anger was so powerful, that emotional experience did not get processed. And so that energy was still there.
So if you can imagine this guy’s got a ball of energy, and a trapped emotions, a ball of energy, you can’t see it. But they’re about the size of a baseball is about the size of a softball. So this is in his low back, lodges in his low back, these can lodge anywhere in the body just happen to lodge there. So 20 years later, he’s in my office, and he’s talking to me about how he probably is going to need to have surgery. That’s his next step, I’m his last resort. But I find this trapped emotion. And to release these trapped emotions, we just swipe a few times down the governing meridian, which runs right up the middle of the back. Swipe down that Meridian a few times to release that energy. And the pain goes from about a 9, 9 1/2 to a 0 instantly, and he can’t believe it, and he’s bending over and twisting and turning and exclaiming, and I was grateful that it worked so well.
See what was happening in this guy’s case was that he had this ball of anger in his low back. And you have to understand, I mean, we have to get out of the Newtonian world and move into the quantum world to understand that this stuff’s possible. But he’s got this ball of anger and his low back from 20 years before.
Mark Divine 16:32
Why did it settle in his lower back?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 16:34
Yeah, I don’t know, these can settle anywhere. He might have had a little bit of a preexisting injury there maybe. Or maybe it was about money, and oftentimes low back money issues will tend to manifest there. So you never know where they’re going to lodge. But anyway, this energy was distorting the normal energy field of his body for 20 years, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Now, when you distort the energy field of the body, you’re interfering with the chemical reactions to a degree with the blood flow, the lymph flow, the flow of Meridian energy, all those things. And so it’s not unusual for people to have pain. So he’s got this severe pain, but the moment we release that energy, it’s gone. But that’s not the end of the story. It was two or three days later, I think three days later, he came back in to see me for a follow up. And I’ll never forget this. He said, Dr. Nelson, you know, he said, my back still doesn’t hurt at all. He said, I can’t believe it’s kind of miraculous. But he said, I have to talk to you. He said, When I came in here, I had another problem that I didn’t tell you about. He said, For as long as I can remember, I’ve basically been what you’d call a rageaholic. He said, I’m always yelling at my wife and my kids, and I gotta watch the road rage. And I’ve been to anger management a couple times hasn’t really helped me. But he said, since you released that trapped emotion of anger for me, I feel like a different person. He said things that used to set me off. Don’t set me off anymore. He said, I just feel kind of relaxed and kind of peaceful. He said, How did you do that? How does that work? And I said, I don’t know. I don’t know. I didn’t know.
Mark Divine 18:02
I don’t know, that’s my scientific explanation.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 18:05
Because I didn’t know.
Mark Divine 18:05
That’s awesome. Hey, I’m curious. Like, if he had gone to surgery, would they have found anything down there with with surgery have done anything for him?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 18:12
Well, you know, you think about it in a case like that. And you see when you have a trapped emotion. Remember, if you can imagine he had this ball of anger in his low back, distorting the energy field and interfering with the normal tissues. Surgery wouldn’t have gotten rid of that. So now he would have a more compromised back. But he would still have the energy there, from whatever he’d been through 20 years before from being falsely accused, etc. The anger was still there. And so now he’d have a back that had been operated on that had been sliced and diced. And that was trying to heal. And now he’s still got that energy there, see.
Mark Divine 18:49
Was there a physical manifestation that they saw like on an x-ray or an MRI, that caused them to say you need surgery or they just recommended that based on pain?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 18:58
His next step was actually to go and be evaluated for surgery because he was in so much pain.
Mark Divine 19:05
Oh, I see.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 19:05
The thing about it, though, is that what these trapped emotions do is they interfere with the normal balance of the muscles, they interfere with misalignment, okay, they can create misalignment in bones and other tissues of the body. So what I found was that it was the number one most common thing that I needed to work on for all of my patients, no matter what it was that they were dealing with. And I had lots and lots of patients with back pain. I mean, in about 18 years, I only had to send two patients out for surgery for low back because they’re, you know, it had gone too far and they had herniated discs in their low back, but otherwise, people were able to get well. So this really should be the first thing people do, is see if there’s some emotional baggage causing the pain or contributing, and then last resort surgery. I mean, you know, even even the medical profession, the AMA came out with a study back in, I think 1978, where they found that it’s like between 70 and 80% of all the back surgeries that were done then could have been prevented and weren’t necessary.
Mark Divine 20:10
Wow. So I’m curious, you use kinesiology, this muscle testing. Is that something that individuals, or can you teach individuals to test themselves?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 20:19
Yes, absolutely. That’s what we do.
Mark Divine 20:22
I’ve always been curious about that. I mean, Hawkins makes that claim that you know, you can teach you to test yourself, and then you know, they use the finger test.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 20:29
Yeah, the ring and ring method is a great method. You can also there’s a lot of other methods, there’s the flick method, you know, you make a ring, and then on a yes, the ring will stay together, not a No, it’ll break open.
Mark Divine 20:41
And what’s the secret to asking the right questions?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 20:43
First of all, with self-testing, there are a couple of mistakes that people make. One of the most common mistakes is that people think it’s kind of a strength contest, but it’s not.
Mark Divine 20:52
Dr. Bradley Nelson 20:53
In fact, the main method that I used for testing years ago, when I was in practice was this one where one finger, you put one finger on top of another one, the bottom finger will stay strong for yes and weaken for no. And man, that one was hard on me, my fingers hurt for seven years. And I finally realized, gee, maybe I should back off on the, the amount of resistance I’m using. So now, like, for example, when I do this test, we teach people that the amount of force that you use…
Mark Divine 21:22
That’s the two fingers, for those who don’t have the video. Yeah, ring finger and thumb touching, but interlock with the other finger, and you pull it.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 21:29
And uh, most people use way too much strength, see.
Mark Divine 21:32
Dr. Bradley Nelson 21:32
And so they’re fighting against themselves, what you’re trying to do is you’re trying to, you’re trying to sense this subtle change that’s taking place in the body. So you’d want to only use mean probably less than 1% of your total available strength, see. That, what I tell people is, if you found a ladybug in your house, and you picked it up, you’re going to carry it out your garden and let it go. How much force would you use? Not much, right?
Mark Divine 21:55
Dr. Bradley Nelson 21:55
So that’s about how much you can use for these. Another thing is that it’s really important to realize that your subconscious mind knows how to do this kind of testing. And so if you think about someone who can type, you know, can you type Mark your type very fast?
Mark Divine 22:10
Faster than most of my peers, because I actually took typing way back in high school in the 70’s.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 22:15
Yeah, me too. Yeah, back when they offered it, they don’t even offer it anymore, it’s a lost art. But um, if you talk to somebody that’s typing along, maybe they’re typing 80, or 90 or 100 words a minute, they’ll tell you that if they start thinking about what their fingers are doing, they immediately crash and burn, they start making all kinds of mistakes, and so on. As long as they aren’t focused on what their fingers are doing. They’re able to keep typing and maintain a high rate of speed is the same thing with self-muscle testing. If you’re focusing on your fingers, it doesn’t work very well. But if you allow the test to take place slightly out of your focus, then it works better.
Mark Divine 22:54
Can you walk me through like a little case study? So I just walk into your office? And I say, Dr. Nelson, you know, I’ve got this pain in my upper back near my kind of right shoulder blade.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 23:07
Mark Divine 23:07
And so how would you walk me through that?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 23:09
Well, basically, the way that this would work. First of all, I haven’t been in practice for a long time, I just travel around the world and teach and do podcasts and things. That basically how The Emotion Code works is if I were there with you, and let’s say you do have pain in your shoulder blade, or maybe a migraine or whatever.
Mark Divine 23:26
My son has migraines, by the way. So that is something that he that he suffers. So that’s probably a good one to start with.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 23:32
Sure. So basically, what I would do, first of all, if I were there with you or with him, I’d have him hold out his arm parallel to the floor. And I would have him make a statement. What’s your son’s name?
Mark Divine 23:44
Dr. Bradley Nelson 23:44
Okay, I would have him say my name is Devon. And then if I were to press down on his outstretched arm, he should be strong and able to resist that. And then have him say something that’s incongruent, like, I’d have him say, my name is Bob. And then if I press down on his arm, he wouldn’t weaken, your viewers, your listeners can try this. It’s really, it’s interesting. And it’s, you know, it goes along with everything that Hawkins learned about the subconscious mind, you know, can’t really lie or well it wants to tell the truth. And so then what I would do with your son is I would simply ask, using The Emotion Code, I would ask, is there a trapped emotion that we can release that’s contributing to your migraine headache? We would probably get a yes answer. In other words, the muscle tests would be strong. So then what we would do is we’d look at the list and then we would ask, okay, is the emotion in column A or column B? And the way that that works, as you see, his subconscious mind would know exactly what emotion that is, at that moment. When we ask that question, do you have a direct emotion we can release is contributing to your headache. If he’s got one, the subconscious mind will instantly identify it. And then all we have to do is play charades with his subconscious to figure out what it is. So we would ask is this emotion in column A on our chart here? Maybe that would be weak, a no. So that means it’s in column B. So then we would ask, well, alright, is it in an odd row or an even row? So is it an odd row in column B? And maybe the answer is no. So that way we know okay, well, we’ve narrowed it down, it’s got to be in two or four, or six and column B. So then we ask, is it in row two and column B? Is it in row four? Maybe it’s in row four, column B, so we get a yes answer. So then what we do is we’ve got four emotion and five emotions in that cell. depression, frustration, indecisiveness, panic are taken for granted. So then what we do is we test those Well, is it depression? Is it frustration? Indecisiveness?
And one of those might go weak, or sorry, one of those might be strong and too strong for that. And then that way, we’ve identified the emotion. And then what we can do is we can ask, okay, once we’ve identified the emotion, the next question is, do we need to know more about this, because you see, in order for the subconscious mind to be willing to close the loop on your emotional experience so that it’s actually completely finished. Sometimes it needs you to dig a little deeper. So you might need to know like, let’s say, maybe we find the emotion of panic on your son. And we ask, do we need to know more about this? And the answer comes back strong, then we might ask, Well, okay, how old is your son right now?
Mark Divine 26:11
Dr. Bradley Nelson 26:12
24, Ok. So we might ask, okay, this happened earlier than age 20. Yeah, maybe it did earlier than 10. Maybe that’s a no, okay, did happen around 11, or, 12, or13? Okay, 13 years old, maybe it’s panic at age 13. And he might all of a sudden say, oh, yeah, I know what happened? Or he might say, well, it doesn’t really ring a bell either way. But we would then ask that same question again, do we need to know anymore? And once we get a no answer to that question, do we need to know more, at that point, we can go ahead and release the the emotional energy. And we do that by just taking a hand or a magnet and just swiping down the middle of the back a few times. Sometimes, we uh, inherited emotion. So we might find, let’s say we’re taking to column B, row 4. And we ask about all five of those emotions, and they’re all weak, we could have a weak muscle response, and every one of those that would mean that we’re dealing with an emotion that is inherited, that he would have received at the moment of conception from you or from your wife, or his mom, that’s an interesting one because then we have to ask, is this an inherited emotion, then we can find out because the subconscious mind remembers, we could find out, you know, who it came from. And let’s say he got it from you, and you got it from your dad, and it goes back 10 generations or something. We can find all that out because the subconscious mind somehow knows all of that. And then you can release emotions like that, as well that that are inherited. It’s a fascinating thing. Because, you know, we’re all not only the product of our own lives, in our own experiences, and our own traumas and difficulties, but also, in many cases, also the traumatic experiences and difficult emotional things that our ancestors went through. So there’s a way to find those and get rid of those too.
Mark Divine 27:58
what’s the role of belief of the patient in this, and let’s say, my son, let’s say I had to drag him in by his ear, and he’s like, whatever, dad, you know, take him into this crazy thing, I don’t believe in that stuff. I just just trust, just trust me, does he have to believe the patient have to believe?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 28:15
It works better, if there is some level of belief, it can still work regardless. I mean, I’ve worked with a lot of people who were really skeptical, but then all of a sudden, they see that it works, what we recommend for our practitioners, we’ve, we’ve certified about 12,000 people now in about 80 countries or so around the world, as Emotion Code practitioners. And we have 100s of 1000s, if not millions of other people that are using it on friends and family members. And that’s fine. But we have a lot of people who have decided they want to really master it, and then a lot of them do it for a living. But what we tell them is, if you’re trying to work with somebody that’s really negative about it, it’s going to be more difficult. A lot of people aren’t open, people will come to me and they’ll say things like, you know, my husband, I really want to work on him, but he’s just so not into this. And he just really thinks it’s completely idiotic, and so on, and it’s just bogus. And my advice to them is usually well, he’s where he’s at right now. And it may take some time for him to come around. What are the things that that you can do to help someone to understand because we’re so stuck in Newtonian physics, really, and in, in chemical medicine, and so on, and surgical medicine, we have to step into this new this new world, I mean, Einstein said, The future of medicine is going to be based on frequencies.
Mark Divine 29:32
Dr. Bradley Nelson 29:33
And that’s really what this is. It’s really energy medicine. What you can do for somebody is, I tell people, hey, you know, get your husband a copy of The Emotion Code Book, let him read it, or get him a copy. Get it for him on audio so you can listen to it as he’s driving around and true things usually make sense, right? And this all makes sense, but it’s definitely different from daon’s pills and things like that.
Mark Divine 29:57
Where it used to be kind of fluffed off as New Agey thinking is finally gaining some mainstream acceptance, which is good. I’m curious, you know, we’ve spoken mostly about the physical manifestation of a trapped emotion. But what if it’s nothing physical shows up, for instance, like I talk freely about this on this podcast, but you know, I grew up in a fairly traumatic environment myself. Yeah, I was extraordinarily physical person and very healthy. Been meditating since I was 21. And, yeah, tons of great practices. So, you know, I haven’t had any physical manifestation of that. But there have been other issues, right? Patterns, you know, with the psychology profession are called shadows, you know, is this effective, especially if, you know, Shadow is largely hidden, that’s why they call it shadow. It’s slightly hidden from view of the individual, but it might be completely overt, let’s say to a partner. So how would you address that if like, let’s say a spouse came to you, and said Brad, you know what, my husband is a ray dog, but he didn’t, he’s not completely unaware of it. What can you do to help?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 30:59
Trapped emotions are huge drivers of our behaviors.
Mark Divine 31:02
Dr. Bradley Nelson 31:03
So by finding and removing the emotional energy in the body that’s trapped, gradually, what starts to happen is, people start to feel like a different kind of a person, they start to feel different, they start to, at a certain point, it’s almost like stepping out of this old suit, you’ve been walking around in.
Mark Divine 31:21
Dr. Bradley Nelson 31:22
Into this different person who is really who you were originally intended to be. You can think of everybody that you know, is dragging these suitcases behind them through life.
Mark Divine 31:33
Dr. Bradley Nelson 31:34
And the suitcases contain all their emotional baggage, and it’s rocks from being bullied, and it’s rocks from being abused, and divorces and things like that, and people that they’ve lost and combat and I mean, all kinds of things. And so with The Emotion Code, what we do is we basically just start to pull the rocks out of those suitcases. And then pretty soon, the suitcases aren’t even needed anymore. And so it’s like cutting yourself loose from all of that. And you start to feel lighter, and you start to ascend. But because the subconscious mind knows all of it, and remembers all of it and remembers every split second of your life, it knows exactly what emotional baggage you have, and knows exactly what needs to be done next. You don’t have to have physical symptoms. I mean, if you do, it’s nice to find the emotions behind that and get rid of those. And that’s a nice way to demonstrate it.
Mark Divine 32:35
Yeah, it’s almost easier, because you can target it a little bit more quickly, probably. yeah.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 32:29
Yeah, but with The Emotion Code, basically, uh it’s actually really simple. I mean, let’s say there’s a couple different ways you can do it. One way is that, let’s say that there was a certain event that happened in your life that you remember, and it was traumatic for you. Well, what you can do is you can ask questions about that, do you have any trapped emotions? Do you have a trapped emotion that you can release that resulted from that event? Maybe you do. And if you do, then we use the same process, column A, column B, we figure it out and release it.
Now another way that you can find these, is you can ask about a certain person. Like, for example, do you have any trapped emotions about your your dad, or your mom or your uncle, or you know, whatever. And the subconscious mind knows all of those, the average person has probably around 300 or so when you get to our age, you probably got about 300 or so trapped emotions, if you will have more, some people have less. But starting to find those and get rid of those is, is such a critical step to really finding peace in your life and really being happy.
Mark Divine 33:33
Have you discovered any kind of like meta question that can release all 300 at once?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 33:37
I wish we could we could do that, I’ve tried.
Mark Divine 33:40
Someday, yeah, I’m sure you have.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 33:43
Mark Divine 33:44
What’s the role of therapy? How many therapists have found The Emotion Code to be a useful tool? Because you’re not really talking about context, so much, just releasing the energy, but changing the context of understanding around the event? I mean, that’s traditional therapeutic process. That’s helpful as well.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:02
Absolutely. And, you know, cognitive therapy is something that helps a lot of people. We have a lot of therapists, out of the 12,000 people that have become certified in The Emotion Code. There’s a percentage of those that have been traditional therapists, uh psychologists psychotherapists that have found that, you know, hypnotherapist and so on, that have found that this is really incredibly powerful. Some of them have told me that this is all they do now.
Mark Divine 34:29
I’m also curious just about how or whether there’s a relationship between this and EMDR, the eye motion, disassociation, processing, or whatever it is, eye motion
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:38
Mark Divine 34:39
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:40
I think they’re they’re definitely related. I think that there’s some connections there. The nice thing about The Emotion Code is that you can learn the whole entire process right from the book and do it yourself.
Mark Divine 34:52
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:53
Effectively, right from the book.
Mark Divine 34:54
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:55
Mark Divine 34:55
And you have people express success from that.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 34:59
Oh, all the time, yeah. I mean, we have, we have over I mean, well over 10,000 really unsolicited testimonials from people all over the world. Let me tell you one of my favorite stories. Just to give you an idea. We were at an event and this woman told us that she had started reading The Emotion Code and listening to it, and her son started reading it and listening to it. He started practicing with his friends, she thought it was kind of cute. A couple of weeks go by. And then she gets a phone call. The woman that’s calling her tells her that she’s the mother of one of her son’s friends. And she said, I have to talk to you, she said, my son has had a phobia of water all of his life, you know, you can have a phobia to anything. And a phobia, the waters, it has been very disruptive to his life into our life as a family, we’ve tried everything to fix him, we’ve taken him to all kinds of people nothing has ever worked. She said right now I’m at the community pool, my son is out splashing around playing in the water with the other boys. For the first time in his life. She said, your son did this to him. She said, how is this even possible when the world is he doing and those two boys are only 11 years old, see.
Mark Divine 36:04
Dr. Bradley Nelson 36:05
So he learned it from the book, and then fixed his friend.
Mark Divine 36:08
That’s a great story, I love that.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 36:10
There’s hope for humanity, Mark.
Mark Divine 36:11
Ther is hope for humanity. I’m with you on that. We’re gonna wrap up soon. But you came out with The Body Code in February, what’s different?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 36:19
Well, The Body Code is it’s another book. What happened was really the beginning of this was in in 2008, The Emotion Code book came out in 2007. And then about a year later, one morning, I woke up and my mind was full of instruction. And the instruction was you need to take everything that you’ve learned about natural healing, and put it into a self-study course that anyone can learn and make it available to everyone everywhere. And I remember thinking, Are you sure about this
Mark Divine 36:51
Sounds like a lot of work.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 36:54
That’s exactly what I was thinking. So and it did took a whole year to put the first version of it together. But now it’s an app that you can download online. And the idea there, it’s also a book, the book is really the manual for The Body Code system that you can get online. But basically, here’s the idea. When I was in practice, I learned that there are really six different kinds of imbalances that cause all of our problems. Oh, let’s see, like energetic imbalances, like, like trapped emotions, there are imbalances in the circuitry and systems of the body, this connection between the spirit and the physical and so on. Toxins, nutritional and lifestyle imbalances, like not getting enough certain vitamins and minerals. There are misalignments. And then there are pathogens. And so during all those years, when I was in practice, having a computer right there, I was able to build this really massive knowledge base. And what I found was, the subconscious minds of my patients knew what was in that knowledge base. So I could ask questions, and they would take me right to wherever I needed to go. And so it works so well, that during the last 10 years, in my practice, most of the people that I worked with had been told there was really no hope for them at all. And yet, you know, the vast majority of them were able to get well. And so basically, what we can do is we can ask, alright, you’ve got some kind of a problem, for example, is there an underlying reason for it? And if the subconscious mind says yes, we just asked, okay, where’s the reason, and the subconscious will give us one reason at a time. And so is the reason on the left side or the right side. And so maybe you’re taken to section one energies, and you can actually use the book this way, and you can find imbalances and fix those. So let’s say that on the next page, you’re taken here, and there are page numbers for these. Okay.
Mark Divine 38:40
Dr. Bradley Nelson 38:41
So let’s say maybe you’re taken to a physical trauma right here. Well, a physical trauma. That’s one of the things just to give you an idea. There’s a lot of stuff in here that you’re not going to find anywhere else. But just to give you an idea of how that particular one came about. There was a guy that came in to see me many years ago, 42 years old, been in a car accident 4 years before his neck still hurt. Like the day after the accident, he’d seen multiple doctors. And I thought that’s kind of odd. So before I worked on him, my habit was to ask for help from up above, right. And so I said, Father, if there’s more I need to know about this helped me to understand this because this this seems a little bit unusual. And this answer flooded in and check this out, Mark, here’s what the answer was. This guy was in an auto accident, he was rear ended, right? And even at a slow collision, you know, you can have hundreds of tons of kinetic energy released. Well, that energy that kinetic energy went into the vehicle, crumple defenders bent the frame, some of that energy went through his body ended up with whiplash, but the answer that I got was that some of that energy that was created in that accident had become lodged in his neck. And that was the answer and I thought, well, that’s weird. So energy from the accident 4 years ago, still in his neck, so I swiped a few times and his back to release that physical trauma energy. And then I said, okay, move your neck around. So he looks like this. And he says, wow, how’d you do that? I said, Well, as I feel, he said, Well, it’s like a 2. So when’s the last time it was a 2? And he said, well, before the accident, it was a 9 started. So that’s just one thing. But there’s all kinds of things in here that you can actually find, it is time for us you see to start taking back our own ability to work on our own bodies and work on our own kids. I mean, there’s so much that we can do, there will always be a need for Western medicine. But you know, most of the time we don’t need drugs, most of the time, we don’t need surgery.
Mark Divine 40:34
Should be last resort, I agree. That’s awesome.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 40:36
Mark Divine 40:36
Can you get the gist of it through the audiobooks? Or would you need the physical book to kind of like for self-care?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 40:42
Yeah, it’s a good question. I think a lot of people love the audiobooks, we have handouts that go along with the audiobooks. So yeah, either way, depends on what you like. I think ideally, what I like to do usually is I’ll often get the book on audio, so I can listen to it and then get the book physically. So I can take notes and things.
Mark Divine 40:59
Dr. Bradley Nelson 41:00
And the book is beautiful. I mean, it’s got lots and lots of color. So it’s good.
Mark Divine 41:04
Dr. Brad, this has been a phenomenal conversation. I appreciate your time and the work you’re doing. So to wrap up, like where can people learn more about your work? And I know the books and stuff, you’ll find them on Amazon probably.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 41:13
Mark Divine 41:14
But where would they go to read really connect with you?
Dr. Bradley Nelson 41:16
Yeah, our website is discoverhealing.com We have a map of practitioners all over the world if you’re looking for somebody to do this for you. We’ve got information about certification there. We’ve got we have all kinds of info there. Lots of testimonials. So yeah, that’s the best place to go discoverhealing.com.
Mark Divine 41:33
Dr. Bradley Nelson 41:35
Mark Divine 41:35
Well, thanks again, sir. Appreciate your time and energy.
Dr. Bradley Nelson 41:37
Thank you, Mark. Appreciate it.
Mark Divine 41:39
Hooyah! That was a fascinating episode. Super stoked for Dr. Nelson and his work. I’m gonna get myself a copy of The Emotion Code right away and listen to it and start to use his techniques. Show notes are up at Mark Divine.com, or the video be on YouTube channel. If you want to reach out to me on social media. I’m on Twitter at Mark Divine and on Instagram and Facebook at Real Mark Divine. And of course, I’m on LinkedIn. If you’re not subscribed to my newsletter, Divine Inspiration you might enjoy it comes out every Tuesday, I’ve got a blog. I’ve got show notes from the podcast, a book I’m reading and other interesting things that come across my desk, including a weekly practice. So check it out, go to Mark Divine.com to subscribe.
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