[00:02:10] Mark Divine: Yeah, my pleasure. I’m glad we worked through the little tech hurdles there. What’s interesting about this world to me is technology is so overwhelming, and everyone’s thinking that technology is going to solve a lot of problems, and it will. There’s a lot of things that can be solved, I think, with AI and whatnot, but everyone seems to also be rushing toward this idea that it’s going to be technology that’s going to transform humans back into perfect health and to live 200 and some odd years and My perspective is that humans have been doing that for as long as time memorial.

[00:02:43] Mark Divine: It’s just, you know, we’ve kind of forgotten or that information is being deliberately kind of like sidelined or obscured because there’s no money in it. When you tell people that they can live for a very long time with technology that exists within them, right? 

[00:02:57] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Yeah. The economics of the greatest technology lives within people isn’t so great.  

[00:03:01] Mark Divine: Yeah economics, right? It’s a circular economy within the individual. That’s amazing. Well, before we get into, like, the crux of your work and your passions, you know, where are you from? What’s kind of the origin, the background story for Sukhi?

[00:03:19] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I was raised on the other side of the tracks, and I think you’ll appreciate that in, I was kind of raised in a world mark of crime, violence, and addictions in Canada. 

[00:03:31] Mark Divine: You’re Canadian, okay? Where are you from? 

[00:03:37] Dr. Sukhi Muker: So my family’s originally from India I was born in Glasgow, Scotland and we migrated to Vancouver, Canada when I was three years old.  

[00:03:45] Mark Divine: Okay, so you spent hundreds of your time up there.

[00:03:47] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Yeah, so what’s the majority of my life up here Canada, US, you know a few hours north to Seattle. 

[00:03:54] Dr. Sukhi Muker: In life, we always have those choices, and while we take a step back and I appreciate you saying that my background and heritage I have incredibly loving and very Indian parents that did their best to put a roof over our head, clothes on our back, food on the table, which meant they worked long hours in a factory.

[00:04:15] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And my experience is in life, you either get parented or you get parented. And because my parents just weren’t around, I typically was immersed into the world around me and I made a lot of choices that made me go deeper and deeper into that world and to make a really long story short, you know, it was getting into violence, getting into trouble, getting into addictions, drugs, started taking drugs when I was like 12 years old to eventually hitting rock bottom 18 years old, anxiety, depression, suicide, I don’t know. Multiple suicide attempts. My body was completely failing me. I dropped out of school. Left home. All these things. And I did a lot of things in terms of trying to help me feel better, try to get better if you will. You know, took the meds with the good docs were saying, unfortunately, I was using a lot of other recreational substances at the time, working them together.

[00:05:15] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And I’ve spent professionally the past 24 years in the world of holistic health, healing and human potential. So really it’s, how did I get here? Well, I got here. Because of a personal journey and that personal journey was I literally had nowhere else to turn. I didn’t want it. I didn’t want to sign up for it. And you know, when you hit rock bottom, it’s either you leave or it’s only going up. And so I literally explored everything work. I left no stone unturned. I started getting traction. I started getting my health, my vitality back. I’ve always been an athlete, quite a high-level athlete since I was a kid, and I was always interested in sports and health. Like I was one of those kids in high school, the only thing I would read was muscle and fitness magazines. I must be like 13 years old on the wrestling team, on the hockey team, and I would read those. You know, I was in the gym since I was 12 years old. So I always. You know, I was into that scene, if you will. And so when I started getting my life back together, back on track, I eventually got myself into college, university, and I just wanted to study physiology. I wanted to understand biology. 

[00:06:31] Mark Divine: Did you have any mentor or like any defining moment that got you out of that kind of dark night of the soul moment of, you know, the drugs and the depression, or did you just call out on your own?

[00:06:41] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Not a mentor, but I had a moment. It’s a fascinating place and, you know, I’ve shared my story from different podcasts and stages. It’s in my book in the first chapter, so there’s, there’s no secret about it for the people who do know me. You know, you get to a point in your life, Mark, where more of you want to leave this world. Then the part of you that wants to stay, was like my lowest moment. I was in an almost drug overdose state, 18 years old, and I had a safety clip on a gun, which I couldn’t figure out where I literally tried to take my life. And when I pulled that trigger and it didn’t click, something profound happened where first I had a massive emotional release. And I hit the ground, and more of me wanted to stay than the part of me that wanted to leave. It wasn’t a lot, but it was a little bit more. As a result of that, that was my transformational moment. 

[00:07:48] Mark Divine: That’s fascinating. I’ve heard a similar story before, where someone actually had to walk up to that line and unfortunately cross it. And it didn’t work. And that’s when they realized that they didn’t really want to die. You know, I wish we could find a way for them to have that experience without stepping across that line. Yeah. Trust 

[00:08:05] Dr. Sukhi Muker: me. A lot of heartache, a lot of pain. And you know, I’m 50 years old now, so, you know, we’re going back 33 years in terms of, you know, when that was yet. It’s so fresh in my head because when you see people. I always say, you know, pain’s a part of life, but suffering actually for me, it’s a bit of a choice. Suffering is optional. I agree. Yeah, it’s optional. And I suffered a lot. I suffered a lot as a kid. I suffered a lot as a teen. And as I started getting traction, one of the things that really influenced and transformed my life was, uh, I started working with somebody that started working with my nervous system and it was a healing process. And when I started working with my nervous system, I started to get traction. 

[00:08:53] Mark Divine: How did you know you were working with your nervous system? What does that mean? 

[00:08:53] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Essentially, it was like different practitioners out of the box, woo woo, healing modalities, like I would scheme for anything because I just felt terrible. And this person happened to be a chiropractor who worked with the nervous system, but they work with the bioenergetics of the nervous system. It wasn’t like the traditional structural movement of the spine, if you will. So the contacts were very subtle, but essentially worked with my spine and I couldn’t explain it, but I was like, I have no idea how this is working and it’s working.

[00:09:35] Mark Divine: I have that experience with cranial sacral therapy. Like the guy’s barely touching my skull, but I’m feeling energy moving You know, it’s like pretty fast 

[00:09:44] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Completely, you know who’s one of those things long story short you talk about that So, you know background I spent about ten and a half years in post secondary school background in physiology. I became a chiropractor But I wanted to understand what this guy was doing. As a result of that, working with the bioenergetics, understanding the nervous system from that, you know, my world is neurology meets cell biology meets quantum physics. I played around triangle here, which is kind of unique. You know, physics is like my personal passion because for me, kind of just gave me this worldview that made sense.

[00:10:20] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I’m not going to say that physics has it figured out, but for me, at least. It just gave me a, a unique understanding of the world and, and sort of how it works. A really great understanding into experiences, which it says are energy that come into our nervous system, which is our perception system. And you know, professionally, you know, obviously I work with AIDS, pain, symptoms, sickness, disease, a lot of people who are looking for a last resort thing, but very quickly I realized, well, not only can I help people with AIDS, pain, symptoms, sickness, disease, I can actually help people.

[00:11:00] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Like maximize their health and their life potential, which, you know, we both know the ceiling has no limit. And the piece that I will share with people, Mark, is we talked about technology and the intelligence, the intelligence that created you, me. Everybody on the planet, two cells inside our mother’s body in 40 weeks to approximately, some say 50 trillion, some say a hundred trillion cells. I’m not sure. I like to say a hundred trillion cells. That intelligence that did that within us, it never abandons us when we’re born. My whole journey since I was 18 was kind of like being a gardener. How do I cultivate? How do I nurture? That intelligence, you know, people will call biohacking, people call them life hacks, but for me specifically, I always had a deep connection with the bioenergetics of the nervous system.

[00:11:58] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And that’s a thing that I absolutely loved. Yes, I believe in all those other things. I believe in nutrition. I believe in mindset. I believe in supplementation. I believe in, you know, finding things at the edge of your comfort zone to completely grow. You know, I’m an athlete, age group, ultra endurance athlete, an eight time Ironman finisher. I just qualified for Kona a couple of months ago, so I’ll be going there next year. So yeah, you know, I apply these principles in my life and being an athlete, knowing the adaptations that we have to go through is that when we can really focus on. That healing process, athletes like to call it recovery, but healing has always been a dominant piece in my life and the thing that I invite people to prioritize in their dates for some of us, I listen to a lot of different people, but a lot of different people, I think it could have been you, but I believe you go for like walks on the beach with your wife, you know, you’d be in nature, You have light come in, which activates different receptors in your eyes and activates your nervous system and allows that intelligence and life force to actually begin moving through your system.

[00:13:13] Dr. Sukhi Muker: You’re breathing air, like, and again, one may say, Hey, I’m just going for a walk. And I’m like, Oh, you’re prioritizing your healing and that’s a beautiful thing in terms of doing that. And so for me, obviously we have a perceptual lens of how we see the world based on our experiences is understanding. The foundation of where I was, led into my worldview, the nervous system, our life experiences, the nervous system is a learning technology. It wants to learn, it wants to grow, it wants to evolve, it wants to adapt. The nervous system is also our perception system. So what we see, hear, smell, taste, touch, and that gut feeling is actually our nervous system. Physics says making sense of our outer world so we can make those adaptations. And for me, when I look at the nervous system, it’s that 95 percent of the autonomic nervous system that’s really controlling the show.

[00:14:16] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And when we have experiences that we process, we integrate, we adapt from, the nervous system actually goes through neurogenesis, neuroplasticity, and actually develops programs to function so you can deliver that action, that behavior. It’s like, We don’t have to get up in the warming and relearn how to walk, how to read, how to brush our teeth, how to relearn how to ride a bicycle, how to drive our vehicle and turn our vehicle on. These are all programs like, you know, that stretch of highway when you’re driving. Kind of zone out and you’re like, oh my goodness. I’ve arrived home already. I missed the exit in my case Yeah, I missed the exit. It’s like it pushes play on that program and the nervous system just runs automatically all the great athletes that Move in the flow state.

[00:15:10] Dr. Sukhi Muker: That’s essentially what they’ve done is they develop such robust neurological networks to perform those actions becomes part of their subconscious programming or their pattern recognition. And that’s a beautiful thing with the nervous system. Now the flip side of that is when the nervous system doesn’t learn, doesn’t process, it will hold on to. The biology of that experience within parts of the autonomic nervous system. So it’s almost like a PTSD type thing. And we know this because then that creates a perceptual lens, people who let’s say somebody starts a business and it goes bankrupt, they start another business, it goes bankrupt, they do it two or three times and they’re like, I don’t start businesses because I go bankrupt or. They’re on their third marriage. They’re like, yeah, I’m not getting married because relationships and marriage, they don’t work for me right away. They’re creating a biological environment because that experience hasn’t fully processed integrated, meaning the nervous system. Hasn’t fully adapted and grown.

[00:16:29] Mark Divine: People generally either have an objective or subjective view of reality, materialistic or spiritual view. Most people in the medical profession think that the mind is really kind of the result of Pattern recognition and, you know, the synaptic and neurochemical activity of the brain creates consciousness, creates the mind. I have the view that consciousness streaming through these body mind machines, interacting with matter, with the biological intelligence of the body, which has created this nervous system, which includes the brain and the enteric nervous system and the central nervous system and the biome. The gut mind and heart mind and all that integrated into what we call whole mind.

[00:17:11] Mark Divine: So cautious streaming through this physical body is what creates the experience of mind. Two very, very different perspectives. One actually is in alignment with your Indian culture, right? The other is in alignment with Western scientific materialistic culture. Where do you stand on this kind of split? The Indian me comes through. 

[00:17:31] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Yeah, myself as well. Absolutely. 100%. There is this energy, this life force, this intelligence that animates us. And in different ways, I’ve utilized sort of deductive thinking to in my early years to come to that conclusion too, because if there’s an intangible energy moving through this system, it’s actually animated. And one of the things I would say, Mark, is all the masters of killing actually understood this, like the English, they would hang people. Why? Because if you disconnect that energy going from brain to body, they’re gone. 

[00:18:06] Mark Divine: Well, it’s also the enlivening comes not only through the light energy, but through the energy of the breath. And so that’s the first proof of that kind of subjective view that consciousness is flowing through us, is remove the breath, then you remove the consciousness, right? Very quickly. 

[00:18:22] Dr. Sukhi Muker: A hundred percent. Very quickly. And I know one of the big things that I’m a part of is getting the nervous system into that coherence. And breath is the first thing. It’s amazing. So what we start with with Unveiled Mind, and it’s what the yogis start with, it’s like, start with the breath. It’s crazy, because now that I know that, like, you probably know most people, they don’t know how to breathe. 

[00:18:47] Mark Divine: In fact, you could make the claim, and I’m sure this is why you start there, is that The reason that most people’s nervous systems are completely out of whack or they’ve gone into that state of permanent hyper arousal because their parasympathetic nervous pathway is in atrophy because they haven’t been breathing effectively for a very long time. Yes. They’re breathing through their mouth, they’re breathing very rapidly, you know, 17, 20 some breaths per minute. And that’s constantly triggering that sympathetic pathway, which means the parasympathic one kind of goes dormant, gets frozen shut. Some research recently came out about that. I thought that was fascinating. So we got to open up that parasympathetic pathway through the breath again. 

[00:19:25] Dr. Sukhi Muker: You have to open it up. And then what happens though too, that I believe in working with so many people is that that sympathetic pathway, because it’s firing that way, actually wires that way and becomes more robust. Right. It becomes the dominant go to right to become dominant, which is like, you know, cortisol, adrenaline, epinephrine, norepinephrine, right?

[00:19:51] Mark Divine: And that new normal then becomes normalized. And we tend to manage it with, you know, unhealthy stress management tools, such as alcohol and caffeine and hardcore exercise. Yeah. Been there, done that. And then you don’t recognize that you just kind of feel like, Oh, I need a little pick me up. And that reinforces the whole cycle. And it’s this vicious cycle that keeps you in a state of hyperarousal, which over time severely degrades your physical well being as well as your moods and your mental functioning, I think. And that’s why people come to you because they’ve been In this sorry state for years and they don’t understand it.

[00:20:29] Dr. Sukhi Muker: One cup of coffee is not enough. One glass of wine is not enough to have, I feel good. It’s like I’m going to go for half a bottle. And you know, it’s fascinating because I spent some time in India more flipping up there. And when I was in the north and you know, it’s an area more. Let’s call them yogi, sage like people. It was really interesting to see their lifestyle in that. When they knew, I call it processing. You know, life’s a little overwhelming, stressful. I’m processing a lot right now. That’s the terminology I like to use. They would take a step back from life. They would turn off from life. It’s like they prioritized rest. They prioritized healing and in our Western world, it doesn’t happen. 

[00:21:11] Mark Divine: Yeah. We have a massive bias for action. Most people are afraid of just stopping everything. They think everything’s going to fall apart. And the reality is it recovers, right? It restores. Yeah. And, and even like when it comes to the doing part, like of your business or whatever, right? Yeah. I mean, unless it’s exam week in school, taking a little time off to, to restore and to reflect leads to greater insights and greater synthesis, right? Again, there’s research on that now that says even, even at a micro level, if we don’t take time to restore after every kind of period of deep work or after a meeting or like after this podcast, we should take five minutes to just stop and just breathe deeply through our nose calmly to let the brain do that kind of.

[00:21:53] Mark Divine: micro integration in the nervous system to allow that synthesis. Otherwise, it’s all packed into your sleep. And if your sleep is disrupted with cortisol, you know, sugar, alcohol, then you never give your body mind time to fully integrate from the day’s learning and stress. And that kind of compounds that sympathetic response we’re talking about.

[00:22:14] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And that’s the word that I use, Mark, is integrate, is you have to integrate. When we integrate the nervous system It gets the opportunity to adapt, which is learning and growth. And I always say the greatest growth occurs right at the edge of our comfort zone. That’s what sort of allows that bandwidth. You know, any people that have created great feats in life, they have a bigger capacity. They’ve cultivated their capacity and bandwidth to be able to do that. Whereas others have maybe taken a step back and retreated from that. So. For me, it’s where it begins. I believe the healing process is how do we get our nervous system into what you said, more parasympathetic, which is more coherent, which is where cells, tissues, and organs start to reorganize and regenerate with better shape, better structure, better function. Our hair grows, our nails grow, our skin sheds. Every cell within our body has a life cycle that constantly turns over. And the more coherence, parasympathetic tone we are, We essentially keep trading in this, I call this mind-body vehicle that allows us to experience life. Okay. 

[00:23:41] Mark Divine: I’ve used that same metaphor, like if you buy a 65 Corvette and you just leave us sitting around. 40, 50 years, it’s going to be a rust bucket, but if you just polish it every day and, you know, tweak it here and tweak it there, you know, you see some of these unbelievable vehicles that like brand new, your body’s just like that. So you’ve used the term neural activation and neural coherence. Yeah. Can you describe what those are? And is it a practice or like, what are you doing with those things? 

[00:24:08] Dr. Sukhi Muker: So, very quickly, one on one nervous system, when we measure its firing, and I know you know this, different wavelengths, beta, alpha, theta, and different wavelengths where the spike and the trough are equal, almost like a sine or a cosine wave, that’s called coherence. And when the nervous system’s in coherence, it’s in that parasympathetic. On the flip side, if you look at heart rate or HRV, you know, your QRS wave. There’s an absence of coherence. You want your heart to do that, but you don’t want your nervous system to do that for a long period of time. When you’re activated, absolutely.

[00:24:47] Dr. Sukhi Muker: You know, you’re, you’re getting ready to present this and that there can be a little bit of that sympathetic that’s going to allow you to perform, but to live in that, you don’t want that. So in moving the nervous system to more and more coherence. It’s almost like this deep meditative process, and this deep meditative process starts with your breath. You turn your internal dialogue in words, focusing on what’s going in here, and by getting into these deeper meditative states, allowing your system to do that, allows your nervous system to move into coherence, which my lens of it is. When you look at the energy centers, there’s different languages for them. Some people can call them chakras, some people can call them neurological centers, that’s what I call them. I refer to them like heart plexus, adrenal plexus, lower, superior, inferior mesenteric plexus. It’s about allowing those little mini brains within the autonomic nervous system to develop more coherence and to begin communicating with each other in more and more coherence.

[00:25:52] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Got it. So is that neuro activation as well or is that a different thing? So neural activation is slightly different, but it’s aligned to it where now you can activate the nervous system because what I said was the nervous system, if you haven’t integrated and process something from the past at a low grade level, still living in that physiology in this moment. And when those really start to build up, that creates incoherence, right?

[00:26:21] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And the thing that My journey has taught me is that the nervous system actually doesn’t know the difference between past, between present, between future, where your attention goes, your energy and life force floats. So the activation piece is people talk about visualization. I think visualization is great. And then I said to myself, well, But visualization is only one piece of our sensory system. What if I could activate my entire nervous system to have a full sensory experience of what I’d like to create? See it, hear it, smell it, taste it, have a full sensory experience. The nervous system is thinking this is actually happening and actually starts to wire and fire that way.

[00:27:18] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And as a result of that, it’s sort of neural activation is my way of saying how we consciously create our life moving forward from the inside out. And so what we can do is we can insert different things within our nervous system to have that full sensory experience. So I’d say moving the system into neural coherence is more healing. Moving the system into neural activation is more creating. They can be done separately or they could be done together. My experience is in working with people. Really, all I’ve kind of done is I’ve moved people from one identity to a new identity that has more health, more vitality, more awareness, more purpose.

[00:28:11] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And it’s about allowing that perceptual lens just so we can move that way with more grace flow and efficiency. Doesn’t mean there’s not challenges. Doesn’t mean there’s not curveballs. It just means that we can actually leverage this beautiful technology within us. to begin creating that even more.

[00:28:32] Mark Divine: Right. You’re a human potential guy. What do you think about longevity, um, city powers of yogis and ninjas running up walls and stuff like that? 

[00:28:45] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Well, on a personal level, I love that stuff. 

[00:28:47] Mark Divine: Yeah, I studied Aikido for a number of years, and the founder of Aikido, Ueshiba, was famous for, he had a challenge that, you know, anyone could try to shoot him. This happened several times three people would line up and he was like 20 yards down on the other end of the studio or wherever they were and they would say, okay, go. And then before the first shot was fired, he was behind the shooter and had disarmed him and slow-motion footage of this showed him like.

[00:29:14] Mark Divine: Exploding off his seat and like running with these really quick little steps like through the air almost through the air Yeah, and and disarming this guy, but you couldn’t see it with the naked eye So that was a human being doing that I watched my grandmaster martial artist break Five blocks of ice each block of ice was probably like eight inches thick The tiny little pieces of wood in between to prop him up with his head. And his grandmaster was renowned, a guy named Masayama was renowned for chopping off the horn of a charging bull with his hand. Okay, so most people think that’s just fantasy, but I look at that as just human potential. You focus on something long enough with the intention to develop a certain power. Man, you can pretty much do extraordinary things and now we’re seeing that with crazy parkour and gymnastics and CrossFit. You know, I think we’re just getting warmed up. Anyway, I’m more curious about your perspectives on longevity and like optimal health. Can we maintain a disease-free body forever with these technologies and with our minds?

[00:30:17] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Going back to the human potential piece. I believe that there’s no limitations of matter. There are only limitations of consciousness. Consciousness has no limitations. It’s your contracted experience of consciousness. That is limited. Consciousness also has no limitations, but it’s relative to every human being. 

[00:30:39] Mark Divine: It’s relative to your body, mind machine. 

[00:30:41] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Yeah, exactly. So the other piece that I’ll share is, you know, being in a world where, you know, lots of people I’ve worked with have symptoms, sickness, disease, illness. And I see the transformation in these people and who they become as a result of that. It’s taken me back more to a place where I’m like, we kind of don’t know what each person’s journey is. Obviously, it’s easy to say when I see somebody inflamed, overweight, not taking care of themselves and they end up in a symptom sickness, disease state.

[00:31:18] Dr. Sukhi Muker: But what happens when we have a healthy, vitalized, dialed in human being that is now presenting with symptoms, sickness, disease, because I’ve seen that. A lot. Mm hmm. As well. So it started to make me scratch my head. If you asked me this question a decade ago, I would be like, well, as long as you’re doing X, Y, and Z, you’re immune to it. I don’t see that anymore. 

[00:31:42] Mark Divine: I would agree with you. I think karma has a big play in it. It does. The practice of constantly rejuvenating your body requires extreme discipline and very little contact. With other humans because the vast majority of humans are pretty negative And so you can’t allow any negativity and you have to be constantly bringing more Consciousness into the body than is bled off on a day to day basis.

[00:32:08] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Well, yeah It’s like people say do you watch what you eat and I say well Yes, and I watch what I put in my eyes what I put in my ears what I feel like essentially that statement I am conscious of my entire sensory experience I don’t watch horror movies. I don’t watch the news. Well, I don’t watch TV because I’m aware of how that can influence my entire perceptual lens and my physiology.

[00:32:33] Dr. Sukhi Muker: So you know, when you say that and you said it, you know, whether it’s karma, whether it’s that soul, that being’s journey is that I believe we’re here to grow, evolve and actually expand our own personal consciousness. And regardless of how healthy or dialed in your lifestyle is, it may be that one little nickel that ate that pain, that little curve ball, that is the next step in your evolution. That’s the pivot point. Or that’s the next challenge that you need to overcome. It’s the next challenge. Cause you know, like we don’t grow without challenge, right? We do not. I will say to people, you want a strong, healthy heart, you sit on the couch, be a couch potato or you go out there and you put a little stress on the heart and get your sweat on. Same sort of thing, right? We only grow through adaptations and growth. And I’ve got two experiences health-wise. Very challenging. When I was 18, my lifestyle pretty much, you know, it was a pretty simple equation to be like, okay, you live this way. Of course that’s going to happen. You know, what I experienced a couple of years ago.

[00:33:40] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I’m pretty dialed in right, right, came out of the blue, like, Whoa, Sukhi, you got hit with that, you know, and I’ll say I’m a different person as a result of that health challenge and being on the other side of it. It’s a hundred percent behind me. And that was my thing. I hadn’t raced iron man in eight years.

[00:33:59] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And I wanted to go backwards. My goal to go back and race iron now at turn 50. My young daughter’s 10, 7 years old and my wife knows, you know, and for me, yes, I train hard, but I also heal and recover hard. I do my best to find this incredible balance within doing this, this sort of crazy sport. And for me, it’s very much.

[00:34:22] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I’m a little bit of a monk in solitude and training allows me to sort of go through that. And for me, it is a big part of my spiritual practice in terms of being able to cultivate and nurture that. It was also this thing where All the docs around me were like, there’s no way you’re going to be able to race Iron Man next year based on what we’re seeing here.

[00:34:45] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And I said, okay, we’ll see a challenge there from the outside, right? It wasn’t so much a challenge for my ego mark, which we all have an ego, but it was more of a challenge of. this idea of human potential. I believe, you know, what one can do, anyone can do. There’s nothing special about each person yet. You know, to be like, I believe the intelligence and life force within me is greater than the challenge I just went through.

[00:35:12] Dr. Sukhi Muker: And I believe in my intelligence, this ability to adapt and grow. And I believe not only will I get to the start line, I can get to the finish line, I’m going to get there in a fashion where I can get there on the 

[00:35:26] Mark Divine: podium. I love it. I mean, the challenge, whether it’s self-imposed, like an endurance race or our Kokoro camp or Navy SEAL training or Ironman, or it comes to you in the form of a health issue, a life crisis, what they do is they expand the vessel.

[00:35:42] Mark Divine: That’s my perspective. Let’s just imagine that our vessel is like this clay pot and it’s kind of small, but then we have this challenge and we have to endure the crucible of that challenge. And it heats up that pot. And it transforms it. And the next thing you know, on the other side, like you’ve got more consciousness flowing through your pot, your vessel, because you’ve expanded it and your aperture is wider.

[00:36:02] Mark Divine: You got your perceptual capabilities are broader. Your perspectives are more expansive. You’re more inclusive. Your heart is more open. You’re more compassionate. Those are descriptors to define what it feels like to have the vessel expanded. 

[00:36:16] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Yeah, and that’s growing as a human being which ultimately I kind of think that’s what we’re here to do.

[00:36:24] Mark Divine: I’m glad you brought that back up because I have a philosophy around like why we’re on this planet and it sounds to me like You believe that our purpose is to evolve. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I would agree and I would say that the only Qualifier from my perspective is that we’re meant to evolve in a very unique way And so this is where The other kind of version of purpose comes in as like a purpose in service to be doing something in a certain way for a certain population, even if it’s mother earth. But really that’s in service to your evolution, right? So overarching big P purpose is to, is to evolve. And then the little “P” purpose is to evolve in a very unique way that only you can fulfill. 

[00:37:10] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I always say each of you is unique. No one looks like you, no one walks like you, no one talks like you. You have a unique verse and song that gives this world, and if you don’t give to the world, it’ll be gone forever.

[00:37:24] Mark Divine: That’s right, it’s a loss for humanity. Yeah, and a lost opportunity for you too, right? Yeah, which is a both end. Yeah. Man, one last question. So you made a statement that, um, you believe mindset alone may not, may be incomplete. for some people. What does that mean? 

[00:37:43] Dr. Sukhi Muker: So what I’ve observed with people, the people where mindset has really served them and has really changed the trajectory of their life has allowed them to create that new identity within themselves, biologically, neurologically.

[00:38:04] Dr. Sukhi Muker: For certain people, I’ve seen that hasn’t happened. And here’s what I noticed is the difference. For example, one of the things can be is, you know, people are trying to become more abundant if you will, and they do their 10-step thing, you know, it’s called the Tony Robbins, the 10 step, you know, I’m abundant, I have money, etc, etc, money is flowing to me. And then they get a parking ticket that afternoon for 20 bucks, and they pretty much the next four hours of their life is a night full.

[00:38:35] Mark Divine: Yeah, it triggers them back into that sympathetic, and it wrecks all the vibrational quality of that positive affirmation. Totally. 

[00:38:42] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Exactly. It’s not that, like, sometimes people say, well, he doesn’t believe in mindset. I’m like, I 100 percent believe in mindset, but for some people, they might have to do more. So for that person, it’s getting stressed out over that ticket. They need to embody the emotional resonance. I believe the language of the autonomic nervous system is emotions, which is energy in motion for me. So using mindset to start, but ultimately getting that 95 percent of their autonomic nervous system, that sensory experience and activating it.

[00:39:17] Dr. Sukhi Muker: So they’re in the emotion of what their mindset is. That’s when I believe you’re sealing the deal. The people who I’ve seen that are successful with that, they do that without consciously being aware of it, whereas other people can’t sort of get, and you probably, you know, people coming to you, coming to your programs, like, yeah, I tried that mindset stuff, it didn’t work for me. And right away I’ll go, well, I don’t know. It’s probably because the process wasn’t complete for you. Yeah. That’s where I start. Right. And then we get into it and that’s kind of what happens with them in terms of that. And so that’s how I would answer that. 

[00:39:53] Mark Divine: Yeah. That’s great. I love that. Yeah, but I think there’s a lot of semantics here and definitions and words are very limiting.

[00:39:59] Mark Divine: They can only point to the truth. They can’t, you know, be the truth. For me, the process of developing the mind is to make the subconscious conscious. So again, it’s back to that expanding the aperture, expanding the mind. So you’re cognizing more and you’re bringing more. So if ultimately all your emotional and sensory perception become cognized and it’s still, it’s part of your mind.

[00:40:21] Mark Divine: So it’s never not part of your mind. It’s just not, you’re just not aware of it. That’s awesome. This has been a really cool conversation. Thank you so much for your time. You have a program called Foundations for Healing. Is that right? 

[00:40:34] Dr. Sukhi Muker: I do have a program. So I have that program Foundations for Healing. Essentially, it’s a 7-week program. It’s available online and takes people through that process of their nervous system into more and more coherence. At the very least, if anything I share, it strikes a chord with you. I have an ebook on my website. You can read that. It’s the healing power of your Nervous System.

[00:40:57] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Short, sweet, but gives you the good so you can really get more empowered. And what’s your website? It’s Drsukhi.com. D-R-S-U-K-H-I.com. 

[00:41:07] Mark Divine: We’ll put out in the show notes too, but most people are probably walking or driving or whatever. And there are foundations for healing.com. 

[00:41:17] Mark Divine: Awesome. Well, great work. Keep it up. It’s very valuable. And we have so, so many people are in that state of hyperarousal. If everyone could go through your program, you know, that’d be a better world. So thank you so much for what you’re doing. Thanks 

[00:41:31] Dr. Sukhi Muker: Mark. I appreciate it.

[00:41:32] Mark Divine: Thanks so much Sukhi Muker for joining me on the Mark Divine show. Super interesting. I love the discussion about humor, performance and purpose and mindset. Really, really valuable. Show notes are up at markdivine.com videos on our YouTube channel. Check that out also from the website. You can reach out to me on Twitter/X @markdivine. Or on Instagram, Facebook @RealMarkDivine or at my LinkedIn channel. If you’re not subscribed to my newsletter, Divine Inspiration, which comes out every Tuesday where I have my blog, show notes from the week’s podcast, a book I’m reading, a practice and other inspirational things that comes across my desk, then consider subscribing @markdivine.com and please share it with your friends. Thanks so much for Jason Sanderson and Catherine Divine who helped me produce this podcast and bring incredible guests like Sukhi to you every week. Ratings and reviews are very helpful. If you haven’t done so, please consider rating and reviewing the show wherever you listen really helps keep the show relevant and noticed. Thank you for doing the work and for being part of the solutions you want to see in the world, helping us move humanity to be more positive, inclusive, and be the change you want to see in the world at scale. We can do this. Till next week, Divine out.